James: WELL, WE FOUND OUT, ROBERT,;

THAT MOST BELIEVERS SEEM TO HAVE A HOOK IN THEM.;

Announcer: NEXT ON LIFE TODAY,;

JAMES AND BETTY, ALONG WITH ROBERT MORRIS,;

SHARE THE TRUTHS OF GOD'S WORD;

THAT WILL EQUIP YOU TO WIN THE BATTLE;

AND EXPERIENCE THE LIFE OF VICTORY;

GOD INTENDED FOR YOU.;

Robert: WE CAN ALSO BE COMPLETELY, TOTALLY SET FREE BY GOD;

AND WE CAN STAY FREE, WE CAN LIVE FREE BY HIS WORD.;

Announcer: BREAK THE CYCLE OF DEFEAT AND LIVE FREE! NEXT!;

§;

Betty: THANK YOU SO MUCH;

FOR JOINING US ON LIFE TODAY.;

I'M BETTY ROBISON;

AND THIS IS JAMES;

AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK;

ABOUT "LIVING FREE"!;

James: YEAH!;

ROBERT MORRIS IS HERE.;

WELCOME ROBERT MORRIS.;

HE TAUGHT THE SERIES,;

"LIVING FREE.";

ROBERT, GLAD TO SEE YOU!;

Robert: GLAD TO SEE YOU, JAMES.;

James: "LIVING FREE" IS A SERIES;

ROBERT AND I HAVE JUST DONE,;

A SEMINAR THAT WAS ACTUALLY;

REDUCING ABOUT 30 HOURS;

OF BIBLE TEACHING;

INTO A LITTLE OVER SIX HOURS;

WHERE I TAUGHT THREE SESSIONS,;

YOU TAUGHT THREE SESSIONS.;

WE DID ONE EACH NIGHT.;

YOU CALLED IT "TAG TEAMING";

AT GATEWAY CHURCH;

WHERE WE HELD THE SEMINAR;

AND THE PLACE WAS PACKED;

WITH PEOPLE WHO WANTED;

TO BREAK THE CYCLE OF DEFEAT;

AND THAT'S WHAT;

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT;

IN "LIVING FREE.";

ROBERT, ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO,;

BETTY SAW HER EVANGELIST HUSBAND;

ACKNOWLEDGING DEFEAT;

IN MY THOUGHT LIFE.;

I WAS REALLY SO OVERWHELMED BY;

I WOULD SAY;

APPETITES OUT OF CONTROL;

INCLUDING FOOD CONTROLLING ME,;

MY THOUGHT LIFE WAS WRECKED,;

I WAS BURNING WITH LUST;

AND LITERALLY PRAYING TO DIE.;

BETTY WAS --;

I DON'T KNOW HOW;

YOU WOULD DESCRIBE HOW YOU FELT.;

Betty: WELL,;

I WAS PRAYING REAL HARD.;

I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU NEEDED;

BUT I KNEW YOU'D LOST YOUR JOY;

IN THE LORD.;

I KNEW THAT YOU WERE SO BUSY;

DOING GOOD;

THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE TIME;

TO REALLY SPEND WITH GOD.;

I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO PRAY,;

I WAS JUST CALLING OUT TO GOD;

IN DESPERATION.;

James: WELL,;

IN ANSWER TO THAT PRAYER,;

GOD SENT A VERY ORDINARY MAN;

INTO MY LIFE;

WITH AN EIGHTH GRADE EDUCATION.;

BUT THE WORD OF GOD;

WAS FILLING HIM TO OVERFLOWING;

AND HE LET ME KNOW;

HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT ME;

BECAUSE HE THOUGHT;

I WAS TORMENTED.;

HE HAD SEEN ME;

IN THE COLISEUMS AND STADIUMS;

WITH TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE;

HEARING ME PREACH EVERY YEAR;

AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE;

COMING TO CHRIST;

AND IT WAS OBVIOUSLY A GIFT;

BUT IT WAS LIKE HE TOLD ME,;

HE SAID, "JAMES, TO ME...";

ROBERT, YOU KNOW;

HOW HE COULD APPROACH --;

HE SAID, "YOU'RE ONE;

OF THE MOST TORMENTED PEOPLE;

I'VE EVER SEEN.";

HE PRAYED FOR ME.;

AND THE WORD OF GOD THAT HAD;

BECOME THE TOOL OF MY TRADE,;

IT WAS MY BOOK;

OF SERMONS FOR YOU;

BUT IT WASN'T;

A BOOK OF LIFE ANYMORE.;

I'D LOST, LIKE YOU SAID BETTY,;

INTIMACY WITH GOD.;

I WAS SO BUSY;

DOING THE WORK OF GOD THAT;

I WAS OUT OF THE WILL OF GOD;

AND I'D LOST THAT FIRST LOVE;

AND I WAS DEFEATED.;

ROBERT, YOU WERE WORKING WITH ME;

BECAUSE I HAD GOTTEN SO BUSY.;

I WAS DOING;

SO MANY SCHOOL ASSEMBLIES;

AND SO MANY OTHER;

SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS;

EVEN WHEN I WAS IN THE CRUSADES;

THAT I NEEDED;

A LITTLE BIT OF ASSISTANCE.;

YOU WERE A YOUNG EVANGELIST;

AND YOU WENT TO THE SCHOOLS;

AND YOU HELPED.;

YOU'RE GOING TO TELL;

A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL;

IN ANOTHER PROGRAM WE DO;

SO I KNOW YOU WON'T GO;

INTO FULL DETAIL;

ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU;

BUT YOU WERE TRAVELING WITH ME;

AND I'VE JUST GOT TO ASK YOU,;

DID YOU NOTICE SOMETHING;

HAD HAPPENED TO THE EVANGELIST;

YOU WERE TRAVELING WITH?;

Robert: WELL, YEAH.;

I'D BEEN -- YOU REALLY WERE,;

OBVIOUSLY, ONE OF MY HEROES.;

EVEN BEFORE I STARTED;

TRAVELING WITH YOU,;

WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, I WENT;

TO A JAMES ROBISON CRUSADE;;

FOOTBALL STADIUM PACKED OUT.;

THERE WERE TWO MEN;

THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT;

PREACHING CRUSADES,;

THAT WAS BILLY GRAHAM;

AND JAMES ROBISON;

PACKING STADIUMS OUT;

ALL OVER AMERICA.;

SO YOU WERE A HERO TO ME.;

WHEN I GOT SAVED THEN;

WE WERE IN THIS AREA,;

I GOT TO MEET YOU.;

I WAS DOING YOUTH REVIVALS;

AND SCHOOL ASSEMBLIES.;

SO YOU ASKED ME TO COME.;

I WOULD DO SCHOOL ASSEMBLIES;

AND INVITE THE KIDS;

TO THE CRUSADES.;

BUT I THINK WHAT I NOTICED WAS;

EXACTLY WHAT BETTY WAS SAYING,;

WITHOUT BEING DISRESPECTFUL,;

YOU DIDN'T HAVE JOY ANYMORE.;

YOU SEEMED ANGRY.;

YOU SEEMED FRUSTRATED.;

WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW WAS;

YOU WERE IN BONDAGE.;

WHAT I DID KNOW THOUGH;

WHEN YOU STARTED TALKING;

WITH ME ABOUT IT WAS;

I WAS IN BONDAGE TOO.;

IT WASN'T JUST MY THOUGHTS.;

I WASN'T A MESSED UP PERSON;

THAT HAD BAD THOUGHTS;

AND I WAS WORSE;

THAN ANYONE ELSE.;

I WAS A NORMAL PERSON;

WHO LOVED JESUS;

BUT WAS TORMENTED BY SOMETHING;

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW;

YOU COULD BE TORMENTED BY;

AND I DIDN'T KNOW;

HOW TO GET FREE.;

James: ONE OF THE THINGS;

THAT WE POINT OUT IN THE SEMINAR;

-- AND I REALLY WANT YOU;

TO GET THE ENTIRE DVD SERIES.;

YOU CAN GET CD'S;;

WE'D LIKE YOU TO GET THE DVD;

AND CD'S, AND THEN;

THE "LIVING FREE" STUDY GUIDE;

TO JUST GO INTO THE WORD;

BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED TO US,;

ROBERT, IS THIS CARPET CLEANER;

BEGAN TO TAKE US;

THROUGH THE WORD OF GOD;

AND SHOW US THE SPIRITUAL REALM,;

SHOW US THE SPIRITUAL WARFARE,;

THAT REAL WORLD.;

AND HE SHOWED US THAT THE ENEMY;

HAD ACTUALLY BEEN AFFECTIVE;

IN ATTACKING;

AND TAKING CHRISTIANS --;

THIS IS THE THING;

THAT SHOCKED US --;

THE ENEMY WAS TAKING CHRISTIANS;

IN BONDAGE.;

AND IT WASN'T LIKE;

ONCE YOU GET SAVED;

YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME TEMPTATION;

BUT THIS SPIRITUAL REALM;

OF DARKNESS AND DECEPTION;

WITH ALL OF THESE FOUL;

TORMENTING SPIRITS;

AND THE SPIRIT OF HARLOTRY;

AND LUST AND BONDAGE;

AND A SPIRIT OF FEAR;

AND ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT;

SPIRITUAL BEINGS,;

PAUL CALLED THEM;

"POWERS AND PRINCIPALITIES;

IN THE HEAVENLY REALM,";

AND THAT WE WRESTLE WITH THESE.;

IT'S LIKE -- YOU REMEMBER;

THE CARPET CLEANER SAID;

WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT;

TO IGNORE THE DEVIL?;

WE NEED TO RESIST HIM.;

WE RECKON THE FLESH DEAD;

AND RESIST THE DEVIL;

AND ALL THE HORDES OF HELL,;

ALL THE NEGATIVE INFLUENCES.;

BUT HE SAID MOST PEOPLE;

HAVE ERRONEOUSLY;

BEEN RECKONING THE DEVIL DEAD;

AND LITERALLY;

RESISTING THE FLESH.;

WE'VE GOT IT REVERSED.;

WELL, WE FOUND OUT, ROBERT,;

THAT MOST BELIEVERS;

SEEM TO HAVE A HOOK IN THEM,;

SOMETHING HAS;

TAKEN THEM CAPTIVE.;

Robert: ABSOLUTELY.;

I THINK ONCE WE REALLY HEAR IT;

AND SEE IT IN GOD'S WORD,;

IT IS NOT JUST SOMEONE SAYING IT;

BUT WHEN WE SEE IN GOD'S WORD;

THAT THE ENEMY IS REAL,;

HE IS POWERFUL, HE IS ACTIVE;

AND HE CAN TAKE US CAPTIVE;

BUT WE CAN ALSO BE COMPLETELY,;

TOTALLY SET FREE BY GOD;

AND WE CAN STAY FREE,;

WE CAN LIVE FREE BY HIS WORD.;

James: WE CAN ALLOW HIM;

TO OCCUPY THIS HOUSE;

AND BE FRUITFUL;

AND LIVE IN FULLNESS;

AS OVERCOMERS IN THIS LIFE.;

MOST BELIEVERS DON'T.;

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO;

IS LOOK AROUND AND YOU CAN SEE;

BUT GET HONEST WITH YOURSELF,;

MOST BELIEVERS LIVE;

LIKE TRAMPLED GROUND,;

MOST OF THEM ARE JERKED AROUND;

BY THE ENEMY.;

AND PAUL SAID;

WHEN HE WAS WRITING;

TO THE CHURCH;

IN THE NEW TESTAMENT;

AND WAS TALKING TO THEM;

IN THE BOOK OF ACTS,;

WHEN HE WAS COMMUNICATING;

AND LITERALLY PREACHING TO THEM,;

HE WARNED THEM THAT WHAT THE;

OLD TESTAMENT PROPHET SPOKE OF;

NOT COME UPON THEM;

AND THEN A REFERENCE.;

YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ME;

TALKING ABOUT THAT.;

LET'S JOIN THE SEMINAR,;

JUST A CLIP FROM THE SEMINAR.;

James: EVER HEARD;

THE TERM "HOOKED"?;

HAVE ANY OF YOU;

EVER CAUGHT FISH?;

I LOVE TO CATCH A BIG BASS;

ON A NOISY TOP-WATER PLUG.;

SOME OF YOU DON'T KNOW;

ANYTHING ABOUT IT.;

YOU JUST GO SHOP AND GET YOU;

A LITTLE PUSH BUTTON REEL;

BUT I KNOW HOW TO FISH.;

[Laughter];

I'M A FISHERMAN.;

I DON'T TRY TO CATCH 'EM,;

I CATCH 'EM.;

I KNOW HOW TO CAST.;

I KNOW HOW TO MAKE THAT BAIT;

LOOK SO REAL.;

I CAN MAKE THAT TOP-WATER BUG;

JUST DART BACK AND FORTH.;

[tt-ttw- tt-ttw];

THAT BASS IS DOWN THERE;

BUG-EYED.;

[Laughter];

I'M GOING TO SAY,;

"I'M GOING TO GET YOU;

IN A MINUTE, BOY!";

[tsh tsh tsh];

IF YOU WANT TO GET THERE,;

STRIKE THEM PULSE OFF;

YOU JUST MAKE A BASS THINK;

IT'S GETTING AWAY FROM YOU.;

THEN YOU'LL BE WATCHING;

AND ALL OF THE SUDDEN YOU JUST;

[shhk];

AND HE AIN'T GETTING AWAY!;

[shplow];

AND THAT BIG MOUTH COMES OUT,;

THAT LURE IN HIS JAW --;

GILLS FLARING! AHWW!;

HE GOES BACK DOWN IN THE WATER.;

AHWW!;

SOME OF THE BASS IN THE SCHOOL,;

YOU KNOW THEY'VE BEEN;

IN SCHOOL -- THEY SAID,;

"WE TOLD YOU NOT TO TAKE THAT.;

DON'T TAKE THAT!";

YOU KNOW WHAT THAT BASS;

IS SAYING?;

"I WISH I HADN'T.;

I WISH I HADN'T.;

I WISH I COULD GET RID OF IT.;

I MEAN SITTING HERE,;

HOW MANY OF YOU ARE GOING;

TO SIT HERE TOMORROW NIGHT;

AND SUNDAY IN CHURCHES;

ALL OVER THE METROPLEX,;

"I WISH FOOD DIDN'T CONTROL ME.;

I'M DIGGING MY OWN GRAVE;

WITH MY TEETH.";

"I WISH;

I COULD CONTROL MY EYES!";

"I WISH;

I COULD CONTROL MY THOUGHTS.";

"I WISH I HADN'T --.";

"I DON'T WANT TO DO IT AGAIN!";

JESUS SAID, "HEY, HEY!;

I CAME TO SET THE CAPTIVES FREE.;

I CAME TO GET THE HOOK OUT.;

I CAME TO CLEAR THE DECK.;

I CAME TO GIVE YOU A NEW MIND.;

I WISH YOU KNEW;

HOW MUCH I LOVE YOU.;

I WISH YOU WOULD LET ME;

TAKE THE LOAD.;

I KNOW IT IS HEAVY! I TOOK IT!;

I TOOK ALL THE PAIN!;

I TOOK ALL THE SHAME!;

I DIDN'T WANT TO DRINK THE CUP.;

MY FATHER LOVES YOU.;

I SAID, 'I'LL DO IT, FATHER!;

THY WILL BE DONE.';

THIS IS THE ONLY WAY IS ME.;

I AM THE WAY.";

THE WAY OF THE CROSS LEADS HOME.;

THE WAY OF THE CROSS;

LEADS TO LIBERTY.;

WITHOUT THE CROSS;

THERE IS NO LIBERTY!;

WITHOUT THE CROSS;

THERE IS NO LIFE!;

HE DIED FOR US.;

HE IS RAISED TO LIVE IN US.;

HE SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT;

TO FILL US AND ENABLE US;

TO WALK IN FREEDOM.;

James: WHEN YOU GET TO THE END;

OF THIS SEMINAR TIME;

AND ROBERT AND I PRAY WITH YOU,;

WE'LL BE PRAYING WITH YOU,;

THE YOKE WILL BE BROKEN,;

CAPTIVES SET FREE.;

ROBERT, I WAS REFERENCING;

A PASSAGE IN ACTS 13;

WHERE PAUL SAID YOU PRAY --;

HE IS TALKING TO BELIEVERS,;

NEW TESTAMENT BELIEVERS,;

THAT WHAT THE PROPHET SPOKE OF;

NOT COME UPON YOU.;

THEN OVER IN HABAKKUK,;

WHICH IS ONE OF THE MOST;

POWERFUL PASSAGES,;

HE TALKS ABOUT AN ENEMY, AND;

THIS IS THE DIRECT REFERENCE,;

MARCHING THROUGH;

TO TAKE CAPTIVE DWELLING PLACES;

THAT ARE NOT THEIRS,;

TO SEIZE THEM AND TAKE OVER,;

BECOME LIKE EAGLES;

SWOOPING DOWN.;

AND THEN HE TALKS;

ABOUT THESE ENEMIES.;

THE CHALDEANS,;

WHICH PAUL REFERENCED,;

THEY TAKE YOU AWAY WITH A HOOK;

AND DRAG THEM AWAY IN THE NET.;

ONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS;

THAT YOU DO SO EFFECTIVELY;

AND OF COURSE,;

WE SAW IT YEARS AGO IS;

YOU TAKE THE TYPES AND SHADOWS;

IN THE OLD TESTAMENT,;

THE BEASTS OF THE FIELD,;

THE BIRDS OF THE AIR;

AND WE MAKE THIS POINT;

REAL CLEAR.;

AS A MATTER OF FACT,;

I SAY IT VERY POINTEDLY,;

THIS IS NOT A BOOK;

ON PREDATOR CONTROL,;

IT IS NOT A BOOK;

TO TELL YOU HOW TO GROW CORN,;

IT IS A BOOK TELLING YOU;

HOW TO LIVE IN FREEDOM,;

FRUITFULNESS AND FULLNESS.;

THAT'S WHAT IT IS ABOUT.;

BUT THESE TYPES OF SHADOWS,;

ROBERT, WHEN WE SAW THAT,;

THE WHOLE BIBLE, WHEN I SAY;

FROM THE VERY BEGINNING;

TO THE VERY END --;

NOW YOU'RE A PASTOR;

AND YOU'RE A TEACHER;

AND YOU HAVE;

SUCH A BEAUTIFUL GIFT;

AND YOU'RE SO CLEAR,;

DID THIS BOOK COME ALIVE;

AND YOU BEGIN TO SEE;

THE IMPORTANCE;

OF THESE TYPES AND SHADOWS?;

Robert: THAT TEACHING;

THAT YOU AND I LEARNED;

ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO,;

THAT'S WHAT CHANGED MY LIFE;

AFTER BECOMING A BELIEVER;

BECAUSE THE BIBLE;

WAS EXACTLY FOR ME,;

EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID,;

SOMETHING TO JUST;

GET SERMONS OUT OF.;

BUT WHEN THAT MAN,;

THAT REGULAR ORDINARY GUY;

STARTED GOING THROUGH SCRIPTURE;

AND READING ABOUT;

THE BEASTS OF THE FIELD;

ATTACKING THE SHEEP,;

WELL, I KNEW, I'M A SHEEP.;

KNOW YOU, WE ARE THE SHEEP;

OF HIS PASTURE, WE KNOW THAT.;

BUT TO SEE;

THE BEASTS OF THE FIELD;

NOW ATTACKING;

AND THAT WE CAN GO IN BONDAGE;

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN;

THE WHOLE BOOK, AS YOU SAID,;

CAME ALIVE.;

IT WASN'T JUST THE OLD TESTAMENT;

BUT IT WAS A LOT;

OF THE OLD TESTAMENT,;

BUT THE BIBLE CAME ALIVE.;

THAT TO ME WAS THE BEAUTY OF;

THIS SEMINAR THAT YOU AND I DID,;

WAS NOT JUST SAYING,;

OKAY, YOU CAN BE IN BONDAGE;

AND YOU CAN BE FREE;

BUT SHOWING PEOPLE;

HOW TO GET IN THE BIBLE;

FOR THEMSELVES AND SEE;

ALL THESE TYPES AND SHADOWS;

THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT;

AND CAUSING A HUNGER;

FOR GOD'S WORD.;

WE WANT TO READ THE BIBLE;

BUT WE THINK, WELL,;

I'VE READ THAT BEFORE.;

I KNOW ABOUT THAT;

BUT THIS OPENS IT UP.;

IT REALLY DOES BECOME;

A NEW BIBLE.;

James: WHY DO YOU THINK;

CHRISTIANS ARE SO ANNOYED;

AND EVEN PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE;

THEOLOGICAL, SCHOLARLY,;

WHY ARE THEY SO ANNOYED;

IF YOU EVEN REFERENCE THE FACT;

SATAN IS ONE BEING,;

THIS IS A BIBLICAL FACT,;

NO SCHOLAR CAN ARGUE,;

SATAN IS ONE PERSON,;

HE IS A BEING;

AND HE DID CONFRONT JESUS.;

WE KNOW OUR ENEMY SATAN;

GOES ABOUT LIKE A ROARING LION.;

BUT WHO IS IT ATTACKING US?;

WHY ARE THEY ANNOYED;

WHEN YOU SAY THAT;

THIS HEAVENLY REALM OF DARKNESS,;

THESE POWERS AND PRINCIPALITIES;

AND RULERS, PLURAL,;

IN THE HEAVENLIES,;

THESE ARE THE ENEMIES;

WE WRESTLE WITH.;

PAUL SAID;

IT IS NOT FLESH AND BLOOD,;

THIS IS THE REAL ENEMY.;

WHY ARE THEY ANNOYED;

WHEN THE TRUTH IS SHARED;

THAT WE'VE GOT TORMENTERS;

AND THESE "BEASTS OF THE FIELD";

ATTACKING THE SHEEP OF GOD;

AND THROWING DOWN;

EVERYTHING SACRED?;

WHY ARE THEY ANNOYED BY THAT?;

WHOSE CRAFTINESS IS THIS?;

Robert: THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT,;

IT IS NOT SO MUCH THAT THEY,;

THE PEOPLE, ARE ANNOYED,;

IT IS THAT THE ENEMY KNOWS;

HE IS GETTING EXPOSED;

AND HE KNOWS;

HE IS GOING TO GET KICKED OUT;

IF HE GETS EXPOSED,;

HE KNOWS THAT.;

DARKNESS ALWAYS FLEES;

FROM LIGHT.;

SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS;

WHEN ANY TIME;

YOU START TO GET FREE,;

SATAN IS GOING TO SAY TO YOU,;

"DON'T LISTEN TO THIS,;

THIS IS WRONG.";

EVEN TO GET THESE TAPES;;

I THINK THERE WOULD BE A WAR;

GOING ON RIGHT NOW SAYING,;

"YOU DON'T NEED THOSE TAPES;;

THAT'S JUST ANOTHER SEMINAR.;

YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH TAPES,;

YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH CD'S.";

IT IS THE ENEMY KNOWING;

THERE IS TRUTH ON THERE;

THAT WILL SET YOU FREE;

IF YOU HEAR IT.;

James: MY LIFE;

WOULD HAVE BEEN DESTROYED;

IF I HADN'T HEARD IT.;

Betty: IF THE ENEMY,;

ONE OF HIS BIGGEST PLOYS;

IS TO PUT PASSIVITY ON US.;

MAKE US PASSIVE;

AND THAT'S THE WAY I WAS.;

I WAS A CHRISTIAN;

BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THE TOOLS;

OF HOW WELL GOD EQUIPS US;

WHEN WE ACCEPT HIM;

INTO OUR LIVES.;

AND THE ENEMY TRIES;

TO KEEP THAT FROM US;;

AND THROUGH GOD'S WORD,;

I WAS AFRAID OF GOD'S WORD.;

I THOUGHT I'M TOO DUMB;

TO UNDERSTAND IT.;

BUT WHEN I BEGAN;

TO LET GOD RELEASE THOSE SCALES;

AND HE BEGAN TO SHOW ME;

I HAD SUCH FEAR;

THAT HAD MADE ME A CAPTIVE,;

I HAD A STRONGHOLD IN MY LIFE;

THAT I WAS AFRAID TO TURN RIGHT;

OR LEFT, AND I WAS AFRAID;

TO REALLY TRUST GOD IN MY LIFE,;

TO LEAD ME.;

BUT WHEN I REALIZED THAT;

AND HE TOOK THAT MIND BLOCK;

OFF OF ME;

TO WHERE HIS WORDS BECAME;

LIKE LOVE LETTERS TO ME.;

I JUST THOUGHT,;

I'M NOT A SCHOLAR;

BUT I'M A CHILD OF GOD;

AND HE WROTE IT FOR ME;

TO UNDERSTAND.;

HE TEACHES ME AND SHOWS ME.;

James: DO YOU THINK;

THE ENEMY HAS KEPT PEOPLE AND;

EFFECTIVELY KEPT THEM AFRAID,;

AS ROBERT SAID, OF THE TRUTH;

THAT WOULD SET THEM FREE?;

Betty: ABSOLUTELY!;

James: AND YOU DIDN'T REALIZE;

THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAD;

A SPIRIT OF FEAR;

BECAUSE YOU WERE PRAYING FOR ME;

BECAUSE SHE COULD SEE THAT MY;

APPETITES WERE OUT OF CONTROL,;

I WAS IRRITABLE AND ANGRY;;

YOU SAW THAT A LOT.;

I WOULD LOSE IT.;

I WAS TOTALLY IMPATIENT.;

THE SPIRIT OF GOD;

SAYS HE WILL GIVE US PATIENCE.;

Robert: ESPECIALLY ON;

THE GOLF COURSE.;

[LAUGHTER];

James: ANYWHERE!;

IT WAS TERRIBLE. IT WAS AWFUL!;

BUT IT WAS ANYWHERE;

THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T DO;

WHAT I WANTED THEM TO DO.;

JUST TOTALLY OFF THE WALL.;

PEOPLE USED TO SAY,;

"MEETING WITH YOU IS LIKE;

MEETING WITH A WOUNDED BEAR.";

THAT'S WHAT SOME OF MY STAFF;

SAID TO ME.;

YOU WERE PRAYING;

AND I WAS BURNING WITH LUST;

AND YOU COULD SEE THAT;

IT WAS GOING TO DESTROY MY LIFE.;

BETTY BEGAN TO PRAY FOR ME.;

NOW WHEN I GOT SET FREE,;

WHAT EFFECT;

DID THAT HAVE ON YOU?;

Betty: WELL, IN ALL THESE YEARS;

THAT I PRAYED FOR YOU,;

I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY;

TO WORK OUT A PLAN;

THAT I THOUGHT GOD WOULD LIKE.;

HIS PLAN WAS COMPLETELY;

DIFFERENT FROM MINE.;

WHEN I SAW WHAT GOD WAS DOING;

IN YOUR LIFE;

I WAS GRATEFUL BUT BOY,;

DID THAT FEAR START RISING UP;

BECAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT.;

GOD BEGAN TO SPEAK;

TO MY OWN HEART AND TELL ME;

THAT IT WASN'T ALL YOU.;

YEAH, HE WANTED TO DEAL;

WITH THINGS IN YOUR LIFE;

BUT I ALSO HAD THINGS HE NEEDED;

TO DEAL WITH IN MY LIFE.;

THE ENEMY, LIKE I SAID,;

HE'S CLEVER, HE'S CONNIVING;;

KEEP EVERYTHING UNDER COVER.;

THAT WAY IF YOU DON'T NOTICE IT;

AND DON'T ALLOW GOD;

TO BRING IT TO THE SURFACE;

WHERE YOU KNOW;

WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH;

AND YOU KNOW HOW TO FIGHT --;

I DIDN'T KNOW;

I KNEW HOW TO FIGHT;

UNTIL GOD SHOWED ME IN HIS WORD.;

James: YOU AND;

I DIDN'T EVEN WANT;

TO TALK ABOUT THE DEVIL;

OR THE SPIRITUAL REALM.;

WE SURE NEVER WANTED TO HEAR;

THE WORD DEMON.;

Betty: WE THOUGHT IF WE DIDN'T;

HE WOULDN'T BOTHER US.;

James: IF WE IGNORE HIM;

HE WOULD LEAVE US ALONE.;

HE HAD A HOOK IN ME.;

HE HAD A SPIRIT OF FEAR,;

A HOOK IN YOU.;

ROBERT, HE HAD HOOKS IN YOU;

AND IN ANOTHER PROGRAM;

YOU'RE GOING TO TALK;

VERY SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT;

BECAUSE YOU DID IN THE SEMINAR.;

BUT YOU ALSO MADE IT;

VERY CLEAR IN THE SEMINAR;

THAT CHRISTIANS;

AND THE CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM;

WHO THINK THEY'VE;

NEVER BEEN IN BONDAGE;

LIVE IN BONDAGE AND ARE BLIND;

TO THE FACT THEY ARE DEFEATED,;

AND YOU POINTED THAT OUT;

IN THE SEMINAR.;

I WANT US TO JOIN;

ONE OF THOSE CLIPS;

WHERE ROBERT IS TEACHING.;

NOW THIS IS "LIVING FREE:;

BREAKING THE CYCLE OF DEFEAT.";

IT IS AVAILABLE ON CD AND DVD.;

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU;

TO GET BOTH,;

ALONG WITH THE STUDY GUIDE.;

I WANT YOU TO WATCH;

AND JUST LISTEN TO ROBERT;

AS HE POINTS THIS OUT.;

Robert: WOULD YOU SAY;

THOSE WERE BELIEVERS?;

IF THEY BELIEVE IN JESUS,;

ARE THEY BELIEVERS?;

THIS WORD FOR SIN;

IS HABITUAL SIN.;

WHOEVER HAS A HABIT OF SIN;

CONTINUES IN HABITUAL SIN IS;

A SLAVE, IS IN BONDAGE TO SIN.;

LOOK AT ME JUST FOR A MINUTE.;

JESUS IS TALKING TO THE JEWS;

WHO BELIEVE IN HIM.;

HE SAID, "YOU BELIEVERS;

WILL KNOW THE TRUTH AND;

THE TRUTH WILL MAKE YOU FREE.";

NOW LISTEN TO WHAT;

THESE JEWS SAID.;

LISTEN, VERY, VERY CLOSELY.;

"WHY, WE'RE JEWS,;

WE'RE ABRAHAM'S DESCENDANTS" --;

NOW LISTEN --;

"AND HAVE NEVER BEEN;

IN BONDAGE TO ANYONE.";

HAVE Y'ALL EVER READ THE BIBLE?;

[Laughter];

THEY HAD BEEN IN BONDAGE;

TO EVERYONE!;

[Laughter];

THEY'VE BEEN IN BONDAGE;

TO THE EGYPTIANS,;

THE BABYLONIANS,;

THE CHALDEANS, THE GRECIANS;

AND WHEN THEY MADE THE STATEMENT;

THEY WERE IN BONDAGE;

TO THE ROMANS!;

YOU TALK ABOUT;

SPIRITUAL BLINDNESS --;

HE SAID, "YOU CAN BE MADE FREE.";

LISTEN, THIS IS WHAT THEY DID;

BECAUSE I LIKE TO TALK;

ABOUT BLINDNESS.;

HERE'S WHAT THEY DID,;

[Closing eyes];

"WHY WE'VE NEVER BEEN;

IN BONDAGE TO ANYONE!";

[Laughter];

SO WHEN A PASTOR;

GETS UP AND SAYS,;

"YOU CAN BE MADE FREE.;

LISTEN, IF YOU'LL GET IN;

THIS WORD YOU CAN BE SET FREE!";

HERE'S WHAT CHRISTIANS DO,;

[Closing eyes];

"WHY, WE'RE CHRISTIANS,;

WE CAN'T BE IN BONDAGE.";

AND WHEN YOU MAKE THE STATEMENT;

YOU'RE IN BONDAGE TO PRIDE;

AND ANGER AND BITTERNESS;

AND UNFORGIVENESS;

AND RESENTMENT AND LUST.;

YOU FOLLOW ME?;

James: NOW LISTEN,;

I'VE PREACHED,;

WITH NO EXAGGERATION,;

TO MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.;

I'VE WORKED WITH;

TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PASTORS;

OVER THE YEARS.;

NOW LISTEN TO WHAT I'M SAYING,;

I'M ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED;

THAT 90% TO 95%;

OF THE CHRISTIANS;

THAT I HAVE PREACHED TO;

LIVE MOST OF THEIR LIFE DEFEATED;

WITH A HOOK;;

90% OF THE PREACHERS;

I GOT TO KNOW OVER THE YEARS;

WERE DEFEATED.;

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS;

I WONDERED IF YOU COULD BE FREE.;

ROBERT, DO YOU REMEMBER;

HOW WE WOULD ASK,;

"CAN YOU BE FREE?";

WHEN WE EVEN BEGAN TO HEAR;

ABOUT FREEDOM,;

"CAN YOU BE FREE?";

THEN WE FOUND OUT;

THAT YOU CAN BE FREE.;

NOW YOU PASTOR MORE THAN;

10,000 PEOPLE A WEEK,;

APPROACHING 14,000 PEOPLE A WEEK;

RIGHT NOW AT GATEWAY.;

BE HONEST WITH ME,;

MOST PEOPLE IN CHURCHES...;

DEFEATED?;

Robert: ABSOLUTELY!;

THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON;

THAT I WANTED US;

TO DO THIS SEMINAR;

AND I WANTED IT AT OUR CHURCH;

BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE PEOPLE;

GET FREE.;

I BELIEVE THE TRUTHS;

IN THIS SEMINAR, IN GOD'S WORD,;

THESE ARE THE TRUTHS;

THAT SET PEOPLE FREE.;

James: ROBERT HAS ESTABLISHED;

AT GATEWAY WHAT THEY CALL;

"FREEDOM MINISTRIES";

AND KAIROS, SEVERAL MINISTRIES;

THAT TAKE PEOPLE THROUGH FREEDOM;

BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED;

TO BOTH OF US;

NEARLY 30 YEARS AGO,;

AND UNDERSTANDING;

THE IMPORTANCE OF IT.;

BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME;

WE'VE TAKEN ALL OF THESE TRUTHS,;

ABOUT 30 HOURS;

OF VERY IN-DEPTH TEACHING;

AND REALLY CONDENSED IT;

WITH GREAT RESPECT FOR YOUR TIME;

AND KNOWING THAT WE WILL SET YOU;

ON A JOURNEY THAT WILL TAKE YOU;

THROUGH THE WORD OF GOD AND;

YOU REALLY WILL FIND THE WORD;

GETTING OUTSIDE A LEATHER BINDER;

AND BEING BOUND UP;

IN YOUR HEART.;

AND YOU'LL NOT ONLY;

BE CARRYING THE BIBLE,;

THE WORD OF GOD;

WILL BE CARRYING YOU.;

YOU WILL HAVE A NEW BIBLE,;

THE WORD OF GOD WILL COME ALIVE;

IN YOUR HANDS AND IN YOUR LIFE;

AND THROUGH YOUR LIFE.;

WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CALL;

THE TELEPHONE NUMBER RIGHT NOW;

OR YOU COULD GO ONLINE;

AT LIFETODAY.ORG.;

BUT ASK FOR "LIVING FREE:;

BREAKING THE CYCLE OF DEFEAT";

BECAUSE THAT'S GOD'S WILL;

FOR YOU.;

I KNOW GOD PUT IT ON US;

TOGETHER, AS A TEAM,;

TO SHARE WHAT GOD REVEALED TO US;

30 YEARS AGO IN THE MOST;

CLEAR TERMS POSSIBLE.;

WE WANT TO SHARE IT WITH YOU;;

IT IS AVAILABLE ON CD AND DVD.;

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU;

TO GET BOTH;

ALONG WITH THE STUDY GUIDE.;

WE'RE ASKING YOU FOR A GIFT;

TO HELP US SHARE,;

JUST LIKE THIS ON LIFE TODAY,;

THE LIFE AND FREEDOM;

YOU CAN HAVE;

BECAUSE WE LOVE YOU.;

GOD LOVES YOU.;

HE WANTS TO SET YOU FREE;

AND HE WANTS YOU TO LIVE;

IN FULLNESS AND IN FRUITFULNESS;

AND YOU CAN.;

IF YOU'LL CALL THAT NUMBER,;

WE'LL ASK YOU TO TAKE;

YOUR BANKCARD AND MAKE A GIFT.;

IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE THE CD'S,;

MAKE A GIFT OF $49 OR MORE.;

IF YOU WANT THE DVD'S AND CD'S;

ALONG WITH A STUDY GUIDE,;

MAKE A GIFT OF $99.;

REMEMBER THAT GIFT IS HELPING US;

NOT ONLY SHARE AS WE ARE;

ON LIFE TODAY, BUT HELPING US;

WITH MISSION OUTREACHES;

ALL OVER THE WORLD.;

WE NEED YOUR HELP;

IN THE FEEDING PROGRAMS.;

PETER PRETORIUS TOLD ME;

RECENTLY, "JAMES, THE NEED;

IN SUDAN ALONE HAS GONE;

FROM ONE MILLION MALNOURISHED;

TO FOUR MILLION;

BECAUSE OF DROUGHT CONDITIONS,";

THAT'S PRESENTLY.;

RIGHT NOW WE NEED YOUR HELP;

TO DRILL WATER WELLS;

AND TO ACCOMPLISH ALL;

OF THE OUTREACHES OF LIFE.;

SO WHEN YOU ASK;

FOR "LIVING FREE,";

YOU HELP US CONTINUE TO TELL;

PEOPLE HOW THEY CAN FIND LIFE;

AND FREEDOM IN CHRIST AND;

CONTINUE TO DEMONSTRATE HIS LOVE;

NOT JUST IN WORD BUT IN DEED.;

THANK YOU SO MUCH!;

YOU'RE GOING TO BE BLESSED!;

Announcer: THERE IS A SPIRITUAL BATTLE;

BEING WAGED EVERY HOUR OF EVERY DAY;

TO KEEP YOU FROM EXPERIENCING FREEDOM AND THE ABUNDANT LIFE.;

FOR THOSE WHO FAIL TO RECOGNIZE THIS,;

ONLY A LIFE FILLED WITH DEFEAT AWAITS.;

INTRODUCING "LIVING FREE,";

A DYNAMIC NEW SERIES THAT WILL EMPOWER YOU;

TO BREAK ANY CYCLE OF DEFEAT IN YOUR LIFE.;

THROUGH SIX LIFE-CHANGING MESSAGES;

JAMES ROBISON AND ROBERT MORRIS SHARE THE TRUTHS OF GOD'S WORD;

THAT WILL EQUIP YOU TO WIN THE BATTLE;

AND EXPERIENCE THE LIFE OF VICTORY GOD INTENDED FOR YOU.;

THE BIBLE WILL COME ALIVE;

AS YOU STUDY ALONG WITH JAMES AND ROBERT.;

THE MESSAGES THEY PROCLAIM WILL HELP SET YOU FREE;

AND THE STRONGHOLDS IN YOUR LIFE CAN BE FOREVER BROKEN.;

LIVE EVERY DAY AS YOU WERE MEANT TO!;

LIVE FREE!;

>> I DEFINITELY RECOMMEND GETTING THIS CD OR THE DVD.;

THIS WAS AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE.;

>> HEALING, RESTORATION,;

PEACE, JOY, EVERYTHING!;

>> IT'S JUST AN AWESOME FEELING;

TO BE ABLE TO SAY, "I FEEL FREE.";

Announcer: CALL NOW TO RECEIVE THE "LIVING FREE";

AUDIO SERIES AND COMPANION STUDY GUIDE;

WITH YOUR GIFT OF JUST $49.;

OR REQUEST BOTH VIDEO AND AUDIO SERIES,;

WITH STUDY GUIDE, FOR JUST $99;

AND WE'LL ALSO SEND YOU THE BEST-SELLING BOOK BY ROBERT MORRIS,;

"FROM DREAM TO DESTINY.";

AND REMEMBER, YOUR GIFT TODAY HELPS US BRING;

FREEDOM IN CHRIST TO THOSE IN NEED AROUND THE WORLD.;

PLEASE CALL, WRITE, OR MAKE YOUR GIFT ONLINE TODAY!;

James: I PRAY;

YOU'VE GONE TO THE PHONE.;

IF YOU GET A BUSY;

I'M TELLING YOU,;

THE ENEMY WILL DO ANYTHING;

TO DISTRACT YOU FROM THE TRUTH;

THAT WILL SET YOU FREE.;

THAT'S ALL WE WANT TO DO;

IS HELP YOU.;

JESUS SAYS,;

"GREATER IS HE THAT IS IN YOU;

THAN HE THAT'S IN THIS WORLD.";

YOU CAN OVERCOME!;

WE'LL SEND YOU ROBERT'S BOOK;

CALLED "FROM DREAM TO DESTINY";

IF YOU'LL CALL TODAY;

AND ASK FOR THE "LIVING FREE";

TEACHING SERIES,;

AND YOU'RE GOING TO BEGIN;

TO LIVE FREE.;

WOULD YOU SAY THANKS;

TO ROBERT MORRIS;

FOR JOINING BETTY AND ME?;

ROBERT, THANK YOU SO MUCH!;

BLESS YOU, BUDDY!;

THANK ALL OF YOU FOR WATCHING.;

ENCOURAGE YOUR FRIENDS;

TO WATCH THIS WEEK.;

YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR MORE;

OF ROBERT'S STORY AND OUR STORY.;

IT CAN BE YOUR STORY.;

Robert: I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND, GOD IS NOT MEAN.;

HE IS NOT AN ANGRY GOD UP THERE WAITING;

FOR YOU TO GET OUT OF LINE SO HE CAN SIC HIS DOGS ON YOU.;

I'M NOT SAYING THAT.;

BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS, GOD IS IN CONTROL;

AND GOD CAN SET YOU FREE;

FROM THE BONDAGE THAT YOU WALKED INTO;

WHEN YOU WALKED AWAY FROM GOD.;

HE CAN SET YOU FREE IN A MOMENT.;

>> I WANT TO BE JESUS TO PEOPLE.;

I WANT TO SHINE HIS LIGHT AND I THINK THIS TEACHING;

SHOWS YOU HOW TO LIVE IN SUCH FREEDOM;

THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT.;

>> TO HAVE LISTENED TO WHAT'S BEING SAID AND LET IT IMPACT YOUR HEART,;

YOU WILL BE A NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST;

AND ABLE TO DO WHAT HE WANTS TO DO IN YOUR FUTURE.;

James: IF YOU'RE ALL LOCKED UP RIGHT NOW AND THINKING,;

BOY, I'VE GOT TO GET FREE! OH, I WANT TO BE FREE!;

I WANT YOU FREE! BUT I WANT YOU FREE FOR HIM!;

...FOR FELLOWSHIP! ...FOR INTIMACY!;

...FOR A LOVE RELATIONSHIP!;

I WANT YOU FREE SO HE CAN SET OTHERS FREE!;

>> THERE IS AN UPLIFTING; YOU DON'T FEEL CONDEMNED.;

YOU DON'T FEEL -- YOU FEEL LIKE;

IT'S GOING TO BE ALL RIGHT TODAY;

AND THROUGH THIS SERIES YOU CAN SEE JESUS,;

YOU CAN SEE THE HEART OF COMPASSION OF JESUS FOR US.;

AND ROBERT AND JAMES BOTH WANT THE WORLD TO KNOW;

THAT JESUS LOVES THEM.;

Robert: I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE KEYS IN SCRIPTURE;

THAT UNLOCK THE TRUTH FOR US TO GET FREE.;

Announcer: THE KEYS TO "LIVING FREE" -- TOMORROW!;