>> WE'VE DRAWN A LINE IN THE SAND

AND WE'VE SAID, "GOD, YOU HAD BETTER STAY ON YOUR SIDE

OF THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE."

Announcer: COMING UP, DR. ERWIN LUTZER EXPLORES WHAT HAPPENS

WHEN A NATION FORGETS GOD.

>> IT IS POSSIBLE FOR SOMETHING TO BE LEGAL

AND YET EVIL.

SO WHAT YOU DO IS YOU USE LANGUAGE

TO CAMOUFLAGE UNBELIEVABLE EVILS.

Announcer: LESSONS WE MUST LEARN FROM NAZI GERMANY... NEXT!

§

James: THANK YOU SO MUCH

FOR GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY

TO SHARE WITH YOU ON LIFE TODAY.

I'M JAMES ROBISON.

BETTY AND I ARE THRILLED TO HAVE

DR. ERWIN LUTZER WITH US.

HE WAS WITH US A FEW WEEKS BACK

IN RESPONSE TO OUR INVITATION

TO COME AND TALK ABOUT A BOOK

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY MUST READING

IN MY OPINION,

"WHEN A NATION FORGETS GOD."

AND LOOK AT THE SUBHEADING:

"SEVEN LESSONS WE MUST LEARN

FROM NAZI GERMANY."

DR. LUTZER IS THE PASTOR

OF THE GREAT MOODY CHURCH

IN CHICAGO.

I JUST THANK GOD FOR A PASTOR

WHO SPEAKS AS CLEARLY

AND YES, AS PROPHETICALLY

AND WITH AS MUCH LOVE

AND LEGITIMATE GOD-GIVEN CONCERN

FOR OUR WELL-BEING

AS THIS PASTOR DOES.

HIS INSIGHT AND WHAT HE SHARES

IS ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT FOR US

TO HEAR IN THE FREE WORLD,

NOT ONLY HERE IN THE U.S.,

BUT ALL OVER THE WORLD

IN THE FREE WORLD

WE NEED TO HEAR THE LESSONS

THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

WE'RE GOING TO JOIN THAT PROGRAM

THAT WE DID WITH DR. LUTZER.

James: WOULD YOU JOIN

BETTY AND ME

IN WELCOMING ERWIN LUTZER

TO THIS SPECIAL PROGRAM?

I'M GLAD TO SEE YOU.

Dr. Lutzer: GOD BLESS YOU!

James: DR. LUTZER,

WHAT IMPRESSED YOU

AND LED YOU TO WRITE A BOOK

"A NATION FORGETS GOD"

BUT THEN REFERENCE NAZI GERMANY

AND SOME OF THE THINGS

THAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE.

WHAT INSPIRED YOU?

Dr. Lutzer: WELL,

I THINK NAZI GERMANY IS

A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT HAPPENS

WHEN A NATION DOES FORGET GOD.

AND AS YOU MENTIONED,

IT IS NOT AS IF WE'RE GOING

TO START CALLING PEOPLE NAZIS.

BUT JAMES AND BETTY --

BY THE WAY, IT IS SO GREAT

TO BE ON YOUR SHOW.

WHAT HAPPENS TO A NATION

WHEN IT BEGINS

TO DRIFT AWAY FROM GOD,

THERE ARE CERTAIN

CULTURAL STREAMS

THAT ENABLE IT TO GO

THE DIRECTION OF NAZI GERMANY.

AND SO AS I BEGAN TO THINK

ABOUT NAZI GERMANY

IT DAWNED ON ME

THAT THERE ARE SOME PARALLELS.

NOW PARALLELS BETWEEN AMERICA

AND NAZI GERMANY

CAN BE OVERDRAWN

BUT WHAT I HAVE DONE IS

I HAVE ISOLATED THOSE ISSUES

THAT CONTRIBUTED

TO THE HOLOCAUST

AND ALSO I WROTE IT

FOR ANOTHER REASON.

I WANTED TO DISCUSS

THE ROLE OF THE CHURCH

IN THE MIDST OF A NATION

THAT HAS FORGOTTEN GOD.

YOU CAN'T HELP BUT THINK

ABOUT MEN LIKE BONHOEFFER

AND NIEMOLLER WHO DID STAND

AGAINST THE NAZI STEAMROLLER.

SO THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE GOING

TO BE DISCUSSING TONIGHT WHICH

IS SO CRITICAL, IS OUR NATION

HAS FORGOTTEN GOD, JAMES.

WE HAVE DRAWN A LINE IN THE SAND

AND WE'VE SAID, "GOD,

YOU HAD BETTER STAY ON YOUR SIDE

OF THE SEPARATION

OF CHURCH AND STATE.

DON'T YOU DARE COME OVER INTO

WHAT WE CALL THE PUBLIC SPHERE

BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO

YOU MIGHT END UP HAVING

A LAWSUIT IF WE BRING GOD

INTO THE PUBLIC SPHERE."

THE FIRST CHAPTER

IN THE BOOK DISCUSSES

HOW DID HITLER TAKE A NATION

THAT WAS NOMINALLY CHRISTIAN

AND TAKE THAT PUBLIC SQUARE

AND DENUDE IT, SO TO SPEAK,

SO THAT HE COULD ESTABLISH

HIS OWN AGENDA?

YOU DO SEE PARALLELS

ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.

FOR EXAMPLE,

THE CHRISTIAN HOLIDAYS

WERE REINTERPRETED

SO FOR MANY PEOPLE

CHRISTMAS BECAME

WINTER SOLSTICE.

EASTER BECAME A SPRING HOLIDAY.

BECAUSE WHAT YOU WANT

A NATION TO DO

IS TO EVEN FORGET ITS ROOTS,

TO FORGET

ITS CHRISTIAN BACKGROUND

AND ITS CHRISTIAN INFLUENCE.

AND THEN OF COURSE,

AS WE'LL DISCUSS

HE USED VARIOUS LAWS

THAT WOULD BE USED

AGAINST THE CHURCH.

BUT JAMES AND BETTY,

TO ME I THINK ONE OF THE MOST

DRAMATIC STORIES IN THE BOOK

WHICH REALLY HELPS US

FOCUS TONIGHT IS THIS,

HITLER WAS GETTING

MORE RESISTANCE FROM THE PASTORS

THAN HE HAD EXPECTED.

SO HE MET WITH THEM

AND HE SHOUTED AT THEM AND SAID,

"ALL THAT I WANT IS PEACE."

THEN HE SAID, "YOU PASTORS

TAKE CARE OF THE CHURCH

AND I WILL TAKE CARE

OF THE GERMAN PEOPLE."

WHEN MARTIN NIEMOLLER

WAS ABOUT TO SHAKE HANDS

WITH HITLER AND SAY GOOD-BYE

HE CAREFULLY CHOSE HIS WORDS

AND SAID, "YOU SAID

THAT YOU WOULD TAKE CARE

OF THE GERMAN PEOPLE AND WE

ARE TO TAKE CARE OF THE CHURCH.

BUT WE ALSO

HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY

TO THE GERMAN PEOPLE WHICH

HAS BEEN GIVEN TO US BY GOD

AND NO ONE CAN TAKE IT FROM US."

AND YOU KNOW, JAMES AND BETTY,

TO THIS DAY

THE CHURCH HERE IN AMERICA

IS STILL STRUGGLING WITH

ITS ROLE IN THE WIDER CULTURE.

WE KNOW OF COURSE,

THAT WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY

OF PREACHING THE BIBLE

AND CERTAINLY ALL OF US DO THAT.

WE HOPE EVERYONE LISTENING

DOES THAT

BUT THE QUESTION IS THIS,

DO WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY

TO THE WIDER CULTURE?

THERE IS ANOTHER STORY IN THERE

THAT I THINK YOU HAVE READ

AND IT HAS AFFECTED

YOUR THINKING.

I RECEIVED THIS ACCOUNT

FROM SOMEONE

WHO LIVED IN NAZI GERMANY.

BY THE WAY,

I'VE ACTUALLY SPOKEN TO PEOPLE

WHO LIVED DURING THE HITLER ERA

AND I CAN TELL YOU STORIES

ABOUT THAT.

BUT IN ONE OF THE INSTANCES

THERE WAS A CHURCH

THAT WAS FAITHFULLY TEACHING

THE WORD OF GOD

AND IT WAS BESIDE

A RAILROAD TRACK.

SO THEY KNEW

WHEN THE TRAIN WOULD COME BY.

AND WHAT THEY WOULD DO

IS THEY WOULD SING SONGS LOUDER

AS THE TRAIN RATTLED BY

BECAUSE THEY KNEW

THAT IT WAS FILLED WITH JEWS

ON THE WAY

TO A CONCENTRATION CAMP.

SO HERE WE HAVE THE ISSUE AND

THAT'S REALLY OUR TOPIC TONIGHT

IF I UNDERSTAND IT.

THE ISSUE IS

WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE CHURCH?

DO WE SIMPLY STAY BEHIND

OUR STAINED GLASS GHETTO,

SO TO SPEAK, AND MAKE SURE

THAT WE ARE FAITHFUL TO THE WORD

IN TERMS OF TEACHING?

OR DO WE, IN ADDITION TO THAT,

HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY

TO THE WIDER CULTURE?

I KNOW YOUR HEART,

JAMES AND BETTY,

BECAUSE I'VE WATCHED YOU

MANY, MANY TIMES ON TELEVISION

AND THAT IS THAT

YOU HAVE A GREAT BURDEN

FOR THE WIDER CULTURE AS DO I.

WE HAVE A BURDEN TONIGHT

FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

BECAUSE WE HAVE LOST OUR WAY.

James: I ACTUALLY

WAS SO INSPIRED

BY EVERYTHING IN THE BOOK

BUT YOU JUST REFERENCED

SOMETHING THAT INSPIRED ME

TO WRITE A COMMENTARY

THAT I TITLED, "WILL THE CHURCH

JUST SING LOUDER?"

I PUBLISH A COMMENTARY

EVERY WEEK,

BASICALLY ON NATIONAL ISSUES

ON JAMESROBISON.NET.

NOW I'VE OFTEN SAID,

IF YOU DON'T KNOW KNOW,

ROBISON HAS NO MIDDLE N.

IT IS NOT ROBINSON,

IT'S ROBISON.

I WAS TOO POOR

TO HAVE THE MIDDLE N,

THAT'S THE WAY I GREW UP.

SO IT IS ROBISON:

JAMESROBISON.NET.

BUT I WROTE A COMMENTARY

AND THIS WAS THE TITLE,

"WILL THE CHURCH

JUST SING LOUDER?"

AND WHAT THE EXACT

EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT

THAT YOU SHARE IN THE BOOK SAYS

THAT THEY FINALLY LEARNED

TO SING LOUD ENOUGH

THAT THEY DROWNED OUT THE CRIES

AND THE PLEAS FOR HELP

AS THE JEWS WERE GOING

TO THE DEATH CAMPS.

THEY REACHED A POINT

WHERE THEY SANG SO LOUDLY

THAT THEY NO LONGER HEARD

THE CRY OF HUMANITY

AND THE PAIN.

NOW WE WOULD SAY THAT IN AMERICA

WE COULD NEVER TOLERATE

THE TERMINATION

OF A RACE OF PEOPLE

OR A GROUP OF PEOPLE,

AND YET, DR. LUTZER,

AT THE SAME TIME

WE ARE TOLERATING,

EMBRACING, IT SEEMS,

AND EVEN THOUGH THE BULK

OF THE POPULATION,

THE MAJORITY WOULD SAY

THEY ARE OPPOSED TO IT,

WE HAVE TERMINATED

THE MOST INNOCENT AND HELPLESS

HUMAN LIVES ON THE PLANET AND

THAT'S THE LIVES IN THE WOMB.

OVER 50 MILLION LIVES

HAVE BEEN TERMINATED IN THE WOMB

AND WE ARE NOT BATTING AN EYE.

YOU POINT OUT IN YOUR BOOK

VERY, VERY POINTEDLY

HOW WE WILL NOT EVEN ALLOW

THAT TO BE STATED

AS THE TAKING OF A LIFE.

WE DON'T EVEN WANT TO USE

THE TRUE TERMINOLOGY.

THE CHURCH SEEMS TO BE UNABLE

TO EVEN COME TOGETHER

ON AN ISSUE AS BASIC

AS PROTECTING INNOCENT LIFE.

IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH

TO DO AS PEOPLE ARE SAYING

IT IS A WOMAN'S RIGHT,

WOULD SOMEBODY CONSIDER

THE RIGHT TO LIFE OF THAT CHILD?

AND WE DON'T EVEN SEEM

TO ALLOW IT.

LIKE YOU SAID, THERE IS A LINE

DRAWN IN THE SAND.

IF YOU CROSS THAT LINE

AND YOU TAKE A STAND

YOU COULD BE "BREAKING THE LAW."

SO IN A SENSE AREN'T WE,

IN THE CHURCH,

THROUGH SILENCE OR CONSENT

AND NOT SAYING SOMETHING,

WE JUST SING LOUDER

WHILE WE'RE ACTUALLY

DOING SOMETHING HORRIFIC?

Dr. Lutzer: IN THE BOOK

I HAVE A CHAPTER ENTITLED,

"THE ROLE OF LAW,"

BUT THE CHAPTER'S TITLE IS THIS,

"IT IS POSSIBLE FOR SOMETHING

TO BE LEGAL AND YET EVIL."

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

YOU SEE THE REASON THAT HITLER

-- HE MADE UP THE LAWS.

I HAVE QUOTES THERE

IN WHICH THEY SAY

DADA THEIDER, WHICH IS GERMAN

FOR SAYING, "OUR LEADER

IS THE SOURCE OF ALL LAWS."

SO WHAT HE DID IS

HE RECLASSIFIED JEWS

AS UNTERMENSCH,

THE GERMAN WORD IS,

WHICH IS SUBHUMAN,

AND THEREFORE,

YOU COULD KILL JEWS

WOULD BEING LIABLE.

THAT'S WHY AT NUREMBERG

WHEN HITLER'S HENCHMEN

WERE TRIED

THEY SAID TO THEMSELVES,

"WE DIDN'T BREAK THE LAWS

OF OUR COUNTRY."

BECAUSE YOU SEE

WHAT THEY DID WAS LAWFUL.

AND IN AMERICA TODAY,

THE TAKING OF HUMAN LIFE

IS LAWFUL.

BY THE WAY,

THE POINT I'VE REFERENCED THERE,

IT IS SO IMPORTANT

THE ROLE OF LANGUAGE.

FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE RIGHT.

POLITICIANS NEVER SAY,

"I BELIEVE

IN A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE

TO KILL HER PREBORN INFANT."

James: NO, THEY DON'T SAY THAT.

Dr. Lutzer: WHAT THEY WILL SAY

IS, "I BELIEVE IN

A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE."

NOW EVERYBODY

CAN FILL IN THE BLANKS.

BUT WHY DON'T YOU FINISH

THE SENTENCE?

BECAUSE, JAMES AND BETTY,

THERE IS SOMETHING

IN THE HUMAN HEART

THAT WHEN THEY STOP

TO THINK ABOUT IT,

THEY CAN'T REALLY ACCEPT

WHAT THEY ARE SAYING;

THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT

TO KILL YOUR PREBORN INFANT.

SO IT IS JUST

THE WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

THIS IS THE ROLE OF LANGUAGE.

YOU KNOW PROPAGANDA,

WHICH I DISCUSS,

FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE HITLER,

HE NEVER KILLED THE JEWS.

HE CALLED IT

"THE CLEANSING OF THE LAND."

AND WHEN HE WANTED

TO STARVE CHILDREN HE CALLED IT,

"PUTTING THEM

ON A LOW CALORIE DIET."

SO WHAT YOU DO IS

YOU USE LANGUAGE

TO CAMOUFLAGE

UNBELIEVABLE EVILS.

AND WE CAN HAVE

THE VERY SAME THING

HAPPENING IN AMERICA TODAY

AND THAT SHOWS YOU THAT

WHEN A NATION FORGETS GOD

AND THOSE ABSOLUTES

AND THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO GOD

IS GONE

ANYTHING BECOMES POSSIBLE.

CAN I GIVE YOU ONE MORE EXAMPLE?

THE ROLE OF LAW,

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT

A MOMENT AGO.

IF I SAY

THAT I MAKE MY OWN LAWS,

I'M MY OWN GOD.

IF THE SUPREME COURT

OF THE UNITED STATES SAYS

THAT THERE IS NO LAW ABOVE IT

TO WHICH IT IS SUBJECT --

AND OF COURSE THE LAW OF MOSES

NO LONGER APPLIES,

WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF THAT

BECAUSE OF THE SEPARATION

OF CHURCH AND STATE --

IN EFFECT,

THE COURT BECOMES GOD.

THAT'S WHY I QUOTE ONE WRITER

WHO SAYS, "SHOW ME YOUR LAWS

AND I WILL SHOW YOU YOUR GOD."

AND WHILE WE'RE TALKING

ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT,

ISN'T IT TRAGIC TO THINK THAT

MANY OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS,

THEY WOULD NEVER

BE APPROVED TODAY

TO SIT ON THE SUPREME COURT?

THE VERY FACT THAT MOST OF THEM

WERE CHRISTIANS,

THEY BELIEVED IN THE BIBLE,

THEY BELIEVED IN ABSOLUTES,

THEY WOULD BE

IMMEDIATELY DISQUALIFIED

BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE

BRINGING THEIR RELIGION

INTO THE LEGAL PROCESS

AND THAT OF COURSE IS FORBIDDEN.

SO WHEN YOU STOP TO THINK OF IT,

IT IS AS IF THE SOCK

COMES UNRAVELED.

YOU TAKE GOD

AND YOU PUT HIM AWAY

AND YOU SAY, "WE WILL BE SUBJECT

TO ONLY THE LAWS OF MEN."

THERE ARE CERTAIN

INEVITABLE THINGS

THAT BOOMERANG IN SOCIETY

AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT

WE'RE SEEING IN AMERICA TODAY.

James: I'M WONDERING

AS YOU SIT HERE

AND LISTEN TO HIM --

BY THE WAY, DO YOU APPRECIATE

A BRILLIANT MAN

WHO HAS WORKED VERY HARD

TO SIMPLY DELIVER TRUTH?

WOULD YOU SAY THANK YOU

TO DR. LUTZER?

I DO THANK YOU!

I THANK YOU

FOR THE DEVOTION TO PEOPLE,

FIRST TO GOD BUT TO PEOPLE,

TO WORK, TO STUDY, TO WRITE.

YOU ARE A TRULY GIFTED WRITER.

IF ALL OF OUR VIEWERS

COULDN'T FIND THIS

IN THE BOOKSTORES,

YOU'RE ON THE RADIO EVERY DAY.

WHAT'S THE TITLE OF THE PROGRAM?

Dr. Lutzer: RUNNING TO WIN.

James: RUNNING TO WIN.

IF SOMEONE SAID,

"I WOULD LIKE TO GO ONLINE AND

I WOULD LIKE TO ORDER THE BOOK,

IF I COULDN'T FIND IT,

HOW COULD I GO --?"

WHERE WOULD THEY GO TO GET IT?

WOULD THEY GO TO MOODY CHURCH?

Dr. Lutzer: YES. AND OF COURSE,

THEY CAN GO TO AMAZON

AND SO FORTH.

OR THEY CAN SIMPLY ORDER IT

BY GOING TO OUR WEB SITE:

MOODYCHURCH.ORG.

James: I REALLY

RECOMMEND YOU GET IT.

I DON'T REALLY HAVE TIME

TO WASTE.

I TOLD YOU A READ A LOT,

STUDY A LOT, I PRAY A LOT.

I PRAY ABOUT WHAT I READ

AND I PRAY OVER WHAT I READ.

I TRY TO PASS IT ON.

I'M NOT GOING TO RECOMMEND

SOMETHING THAT IS NOT

MEANINGFUL, NOT ONLY TO YOU BUT

TO EVERYBODY YOU CAN POSSIBLY

AND ANY WAY HAVE A PROFOUND

AND POSITIVE IMPACT ON.

BETTY, WHAT WERE YOU

GOING TO ASK OR SAY?

Betty: I'M SITTING HERE

LISTENING

AND I'M NOT A THEOLOGIAN,

I'M NOT A LAWYER,

I HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF EDUCATION

BUT I'M SITTING HERE THINKING,

I DO KNOW THE LORD JESUS CHRIST

AND I MADE THAT CHOICE

TO ACCEPT HIM INTO MY LIFE.

AND WHEN I DID THAT,

HE DIDN'T TAKE MY FREEDOM

OF CHOOSING AWAY FROM ME.

HE DIDN'T ROB ME OF THAT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME,

WITH THAT ACCEPTANCE OF HIM

IN MY LIFE,

I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY

AS A CHRISTIAN, AS A WIFE,

AS A MOTHER, AS A GRANDMOTHER

AND I CARE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS

IN THE FUTURE TO OUR COUNTRY,

AND THE CHURCH.

YOU WERE USING THAT ILLUSTRATION

ABOUT THEM SINGING LOUDER.

THAT BROKE MY HEART

BECAUSE I THOUGHT,

WE ARE BECOMING PASSIVE.

THEY MAKE THE CHOICE

TO SING LOUDER,

TO IGNORE THE CRIES OF "HELP!"

Dr. Lutzer: BETTY,

I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT HITLER

WAS CONFRONTED WITH THE FACT

THAT HE HAD

ALL OF THESE SOLDIERS,

MOST OF WHOM HAD

A NOMINAL CHRISTIAN UPBRINGING,

AND THE QUESTION WAS,

HOW DOES HE DEADEN

THEIR CONSCIENCE?

IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT

THAT THEIR CONSCIENCES BE DEAD

SO THEY COULD COMMIT ATROCITIES

WITHOUT FEELING GUILT.

HE HAD CERTAIN PROGRAMS,

ESPECIALLY FOR HITLER'S YOUTH

AND OTHERS

WHERE THEY WOULD DO THAT.

FIRST OF ALL THEY WOULD

DO SOMETHING DESPICABLE.

PERHAPS THEY WOULD KILL

THEIR OWN PETS AND SO FORTH.

WHAT HE WANTED TO DO

WAS CREATE HARDENED PEOPLE

WHO WOULD NOT BE AFFECTED

BY HUMAN SYMPATHY.

I'M LOOKING INTO YOUR EYES

RIGHT NOW, BETTY,

AND I SEE YOUR TEARS

JUST THINKING ABOUT IT.

WELL, THAT WOULD NOT DO

IN A STATE

THAT HAS FORGOTTEN GOD.

YOU CAN'T SHED TEARS.

SO WHAT HITLER DID IS

HE TRIED TO DEADEN

THE CONSCIENCE OF THESE PEOPLE,

AND YOU KNOW HE SUCCEEDED.

AND THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE TOO,

THIS GETS INTO THE WHOLE ISSUE

OF PROPAGANDA WHICH IS

ANOTHER CHAPTER IN THE BOOK.

HITLER BELIEVED THIS,

THAT IF HE COULD CREATE

WHAT I CALL A CULTURAL STREAM --

THAT'S NOT HIS LANGUAGE

IT IS MINE --

THAT HE COULD CREATE

SUCH A EUPHORIA

FOR CERTAIN IDEAS

THAT EVERYBODY

WOULD ACCEPT THEM.

SO THAT IF YOU WENT TO NUREMBERG

WHERE THE BIG RALLIES WERE HELD

AND THERE WERE 100,000 PEOPLE,

HITLER SAYS,

ALL CHANTING THE SAME THING

AND YOU DISAGREED,

A, YOU WOULD EITHER

REMAIN SILENT

OR YOU WOULD CONVERT.

BUT ONE THING YOU WOULD NOT DO

IS TO STAND AGAINST

THIS CULTURAL STREAM.

YOU SEE,

THERE WERE SOME SOLDIERS

WHO HAD TO COMMIT

THESE ATROCITIES

AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO.

BUT THE PROBLEM WAS

THEY WERE PART OF A REGIME,

THEY WERE PART OF

THIS EUPHORIC CULTURAL STREAM

AND THEY COULDN'T STAND

AGAINST IT.

JAMES AND BETTY,

ONE OF THE THINGS

THAT WE REALLY NEED TODAY

AND I PLEAD WITH EVERYONE

WHO IS LISTENING TO US TODAY,

WE NEED CHRISTIANS WITH COURAGE.

CHRISTIANS WHO ARE GOING TO SAY

-- STUDENTS IN SCHOOL.

YOU KNOW I READ RECENTLY

A MAN IN OUR UNIVERSITY

SAYING THAT CHRISTIANS

WHO GIVE UP THEIR FAITH

IN UNIVERSITY

OFTEN DON'T DO IT

BECAUSE OF THE ARGUMENTS

THAT ARE PRESENTED

AGAINST CHRISTIANITY.

THEY DO IT BECAUSE

OF THE PRESSURE,

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS

AND SO FORTH,

TO STAY WITHIN THE GROOVE.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO SAY TO

THOSE WHO ARE LISTENING TODAY,

HAVE THE COURAGE

OF YOUR CONVICTIONS

WITH GOD'S HELP

AND DO NOT BE CAUGHT UP

WITH THESE CULTURAL CURRENTS,

THEY ARE LEADING US ASTRAY.

James: I PRAY WITH ALL MY HEART

THAT YOU CAUGHT THE FULL IMPACT

OF WHAT DR. LUTZER WAS SHARING,

WHAT BETTY AND I SHARED.

IT IS MY EARNEST PRAYER

THAT AS BELIEVERS,

AS THE CHURCH,

AS PEOPLE OF THE KINGDOM

WHERE THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN

AT HAND, PRESENT --

THE WEIGHT, THE IMPRINT,

THE POWER AND THE INFLUENCE

OF GOD'S PRESENCE AND HIS TRUTH

RESTING ON US SO THAT IT MAKES

AN IMPRINT ON EVERYTHING

IN THE WORLD.

IT RELEASES A POWER

THAT AFFECTS EVERY POWER BASE.

WE MUSTN'T JUST SING LOUDER.

WE MUSTN'T JUST GO TO CHURCH,

WE MUST BE THE CHURCH.

WE COME TOGETHER IN FELLOWSHIP

BUT WE GO OUT

AND RELEASE LITERALLY

THE IMPACT OF GOD'S TRUTH

DEMONSTRATED IN OUR LIVES

AND IN THE WAY WE'RE INVOLVED.

RIGHT NOW, BETTY,

WE'RE DOING SOMETHING

THAT IS REALLY TROUBLING

BECAUSE OF WHAT WE SEE

IN THE AREA OF NEED.

BUT WE ARE TRYING TO RESCUE

PRECIOUS CHILDREN

FROM SEX TRAFFICKING.

IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE

THAT CHILDREN COULD EVER

BE TRAPPED LIKE THAT.

Betty: WE DON'T EVEN LIKE

TO THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT

HAPPENING TO PRECIOUS CHILDREN

THAT ARE INNOCENT

AND REALLY TAKEN INTO CAPTIVITY

WITH THIS TRADE.

James: AND THEY ARE USED

BY PEOPLE WHO ARE THEMSELVES

TRAPPED IN BONDAGE.

BUT WE CAN RELEASE

THESE PRECIOUS CHILDREN

THROUGH THE POWER OF LOVE.

I WANT TO MENTION ALSO THAT

IF YOU MAKE A GIFT TO HELP US

RESCUE THOSE PRECIOUS CHILDREN,

YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE

DR. LUTZER BOOK

"WHEN A NATION FORGETS GOD,"

I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU

TO ASK FOR IT.

I PRAY THAT YOU'LL READ IT.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE

TREMENDOUS NEED

THAT GOD'S LOVE THROUGH YOU

CAN MEET.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING

WE TURN AWAY FROM.

THIS IS WHERE WE LOOK

AND DON'T JUST SING LOUDER

BUT WE RELEASE THE LOVE OF GOD,

NOT IN WORD ONLY BUT IN DEED.

WATCH THIS.

>> ACTUALLY SHE -- THE OLD LADY TOOK HER TO THE ROOM

AND LET THE MEN RAPE HER

AND THEN SOLD HER TO OTHER MEN,

ONE AFTER THE OTHER AND NEVER GAVE HER MONEY.

>> AT A TIME WHEN SHE FELT SO DISGRACED FOR HERSELF

THAT SHE WAS SOLD AND THEN WHEN SHE WAS BEATEN ALL OF THE TIME

SHE WOULD THINK IT IS BETTER FOR HER TO BE KILLED.

>> THEY BEAT THEM AND THEN LOCKED IN THE ROOM.

>> AND THEY ALSO PUT A SPIKE IN HER LEG.

>> A SPIKE? LIKE A METAL RAILROAD SPIKE?

THEY PUT THAT INTO YOUR LEG?

AND HERE SHE IS, SHE IS CAUGHT IN THIS TRAP

AND SHE DOESN'T SEE ANY WAY OUT.

PEOPLE HAVE OWNED HER

AND FORCED HER TO PERFORM MANY SEXUAL ACTS,

TEN MEN A DAY.

YOU CAN LOOK AT HER FACE

AND TELL SHE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THIS.

SHE HATES IT!

SHE HATES WHAT SHE HAS TO DO AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.

I WANT TO STOP IT.

James: JEANNE ROGERS,

ALONG WITH THE MISSION TEAMS

CAN WANT TO STOP IT

BUT THEY CAN'T STOP IT

WITHOUT YOUR HELP.

YOUR HELP, PEOPLE LIKE YOU,

RESCUED THAT BEAUTIFUL GIRL.

HERE SHE IS RIGHT NOW,

THESE PICTURES

WERE JUST SENT TO US,

THEY'RE TRAINING HER IN A TRADE

SO THAT SHE CAN LEARN HOW

TO MAKE A LIVING

IN THE RIGHT WAY

BECAUSE SHE IS EXPERIENCING LIFE

AND WE'RE HELPING HER IN

THE LIFE CENTER THAT LOVE SHARED

THROUGH PEOPLE LIKE YOU BUILT.

IT IS AN ABSOLUTELY

BEAUTIFUL PLACE.

NOW, OUR MISSION TEAM

LED THAT PIMP,

THAT MAN THAT WAS TALKING

ABOUT HOW HE COULD USE A KNIFE

AND CONTROL THEM AND HOW HE KNEW

WHAT HE WAS DOING.

HE WAS JUST TALKING CASUALLY,

JUST LIKE HE WAS TALKING

ABOUT DIRT.

BUT THEY LED HIM TO CHRIST;

THEY LED HIM TO THE LORD.

THE MAN'S LIFE WAS CHANGED

THERE ON THE STREET

BY THE POWER OF GOD

AND THE POWER OF LOVE.

BETTY, WHAT WE'RE ASKING

OUR VIEWERS TO DO IS TO HELP US

RESCUE MORE GIRLS LIKE THAT.

LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN

THAT WE CAN GET,

WHO ARE GOING TO BE SOLD

INTO THE SEX TRADE

BECAUSE THEY GO INTO

THE IMPOVERISHED AREAS

AND OUT INTO THE RURAL AREAS

AND THEY CONVINCE THE PARENTS

THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE

THESE CHILDREN AND THEY'RE

GOING TO TEACH THEM A JOB, AND

THEY'LL EVEN GIVE THEM MONEY.

SO WE WATCH --

YOU AND I WENT THERE

AND WE SAW CHILDREN THAT HAD

BEEN BOUGHT WITH A RADIO;

THE FAMILY GOT A RADIO

OR MAYBE A PORTABLE TELEVISION,

JUST SOME KIND

OF ELECTRONIC DEVICE

AND THEY GOT THE CHILD.

I'M TELLING YOU,

RIGHT NOW WE CAN SAVE

THOSE CHILDREN'S LIVES --

THOUSANDS OF THEM!

DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT COSTS

TO RESCUE A CHILD?

IT COSTS $128.

THE LIFE CENTER

THAT IS ESTABLISHED THERE

WAS BY PEOPLE SELLING

EVERYTHING THEY HAD WHO LIVED

IN CALIFORNIA AND SERVED

THE MOTION PICTURE INDUSTRY,

HOLLYWOOD.

AND THEY JUST SOLD OUT

AND THEY SAID,

"GOD WANTS US TO GO OVER HERE

AND RESCUE THESE CHILDREN."

AND THEY LEFT EVERYTHING.

THEY'RE THERE AND WE'VE BUILT

THE LIFE CENTER THERE

IN THAILAND

AND WE'RE BUILDING OTHERS

IN OTHER AREAS, IN CAMBODIA

AND OTHER PLACES IN ASIA.

WHEN I SAY WE,

I'M TALKING ABOUT US TOGETHER.

BUT WE'VE BROKEN OUT THE COST

TO HELP RESCUE A CHILD,

IT IS $128.

HERE'S WHAT

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO.

IF YOU CAN HELP US

RESCUE A CHILD,

DIAL THE TELEPHONE NUMBER.

IT IS TRULY A LIFELINE,

ALWAYS A PRAYER LINE FOR YOU!

BUT YOU DIAL THE NUMBER,

TAKE YOUR BANKCARD,

USE IT LIKE A CHECK

OR WRITE A CHECK,

MAKE IT TO LIFE,

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING,

YOU'RE RESCUING LIVES

OR YOU CAN GO ONLINE

LIFETODAY.ORG.

IF THERE IS ANY WAY

THAT YOU CAN HELP US

RESCUE TEN CHILDREN,

THINK ABOUT THIS, $1280,

WE CAN GIVE LIFE AND HOPE

TO PEOPLE

IN DESPERATE SITUATIONS.

WOULD YOU HELP US DO THAT?

WOULD YOU HELP US MAINTAIN

THOSE INCREDIBLE OUTREACHES

AND EVEN EXPAND THEM?

YOU ARE THE SOURCE.

YOU ARE THE RELEASE

OF GOD'S LOVE.

YOU ARE THE ENABLERS

OF THOSE MISSIONARIES

AND THOSE PRECIOUS PEOPLE

THAT GOD HAS PUT IN PLACE

TO LITERALLY HELP EXPRESS

GOD'S LOVE.

WOULD YOU ENABLE THEM TO DO IT?

PLEASE MAKE THE CALL

GOD PUT ON YOUR HEART

AND MAKE THE GIFT.

WOULD YOU DO THAT RIGHT NOW?

THANK YOU SO MUCH!

WE HAVE SOME GIFTS TO BLESS YOU

AND TO SAY THANK YOU!

THANK YOU FOR HELPING

RESCUE THESE PRECIOUS LIVES.

Announcer: HUMAN TRAFFICKING...

IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE IT IS HAPPENING!

BUT AT THIS VERY MOMENT INNOCENT CHILDREN, MANY VERY YOUNG

ARE BEING SOLD AND FORCED INTO SEXUAL SLAVERY

AND EXPLOITED IN EVERY WAY IMAGINABLE

AND SOMEONE MUST SAVE THEM!

WITH YOUR SUPPORT OF MISSION RESCUE LIFE

YOU CAN HELP RESCUE MORE THAN 5,000 CHILDREN

FROM THE HORRORS OF THE SEX TRADE

IN PARTS OF THAILAND, INDIA, CAMBODIA

AND OTHER TARGETED NATIONS.

TOGETHER WE CAN REACH VULNERABLE FAMILIES AND CHILDREN

BY PROVIDING MUCH NEEDED FOOD AND RELIEF.

WE CAN RESCUE THOSE ALREADY ENSNARED

BY OFFERING THEM A WAY OUT

AND WE CAN RESTORE THEIR HEARTS, MINDS AND BODIES

TO ENABLE THEM TO ENJOY LIFE AS GOD INTENDED.

YOUR GIFT TODAY OF ONLY $128 WILL HELP RESCUE A CHILD

AND CHANGE THEIR LIFE FOREVER.

AND WITH GIFTS OF $64 OR $32

WE WILL COMBINE YOUR GIFTS WITH OTHERS

TO HELP RESCUE ONE MORE CHILD

FROM THE SHAME AND PAIN OF THIS LIFESTYLE.

AS OUR WAY OF SAYING THANK YOU,

PLEASE REQUEST "THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT," HOW YOUR LIFE MATTERS.

THE STORY OF THIS BOOK

REVEALS HOW YOU WERE SPECIALLY CREATED BY GOD

TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THE WORLD.

AS A SPECIAL CHALLENGE,

PLEASE PRAYERFULLY CONSIDER A GIFT OF $1280

TO HELP RESCUE TEN CHILDREN.

WITH YOUR GIFT BE SURE TO REQUEST "HEART OF THE FATHER,"

OUR BEAUTIFUL NEW BRONZE SCULPTURE

THAT DEMONSTRATES GOD'S FATHERLY LOVE FOR US AS HIS CHILDREN.

CALL, WRITE, OR MAKE YOUR GIFT ONLINE TODAY!

James: BETTY AND I THANK YOU

SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP.

I WANT TO MENTION ALSO

THAT IF YOU MAKE A GIFT

TO HELP US RESCUE

THOSE PRECIOUS CHILDREN

AND YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE

DR. LUTZER'S BOOK

"WHEN A NATION FORGETS GOD,"

I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU

TO ASK FOR IT.

I PRAY THAT YOU'LL READ IT.

AND WE'LL ALSO SEND YOU

"THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT"

BECAUSE IT REALLY IS,

ALL OF US COMING TOGETHER

WHERE WE RELEASE

A MIGHTY WAVE OF GOD'S POWER,

TRANSFORMING POWER

AND WE WANT TO LEARN THE LESSONS

THAT DR. LUTZER SHARED.

THANK YOU SO MUCH

FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY.

AND THANK ALL OF YOU

FOR BEING HERE WITH US.

ENCOURAGE YOUR FRIENDS

TO WATCH LIFE TODAY!

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>> THIS IS AN AMAZING STORY

AND I WISH THE WHOLE WORLD COULD KNOW THIS STORY.

Announcer: TOMORROW, BESTSELLING AUTHOR ERIC METAXAS

ENCOURAGES US TO NOT REPEAT THE MISTAKES OF THE PAST.